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they acomplish using up my time because i'm very bored... but yes, like i said too, there is no point trying to predict it at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:20 pm    Post subject:  Re: Still Beta... still waiting..
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I remeber that days.. you just wanted us to vote the best mode of year as Complex 8 would be ready in December 2010..



yeah you say no need to prediction.. so what?..

i now just check here what happened to this mod per 1-2 month.. and after i saw 8.9* beta versions i loled realy... someone should see the reality and predict that..

and a silly question came to my mind:

will you make us vote again to the best mod of year? or will be there a "best beta" voting.. it would be fun to vote same mode every year even it wont be finished soon..

anyway.. i say hw 3 will come before complex 8..

to be honest, the problem is you dont know what to do for this mod version.. you dont have any limit.. you are adding more and more and more.. why dont you finish something working and stop?.. lets make a working 8 first then add whatever you want... dont you ever have a plan?

Beta means something finished but need testing for bugs.. You finished the version 1 year ago nearly and started betas.. so it means you have something working but need to test for some posible bugs and gameplay balance...

so now when we look to the progress, you didnt even make half of it one years ago when you started beta testing... you are just working on it.. still.. for a mod.. what is the problem? Did you come to the modding limits of this game? It can be posible.. you cant do whatever you want to something you didnt create.. so what do you try to accomplish? Put some new models, some creative weapons and addons.. some shiny graphics.. phew phew.. more and more complex things wont make a game specific.. let people enjoy when they played hw2 first time..

For example most of you should tried SOTS 2 Lords of the Winter.. i preordered it and tried some days ago.. but what happened? the game was not even at beta.. they lied to us and sell a non finished even worst then beta becouse that game was unplayable.. they made many patchs but its still a crap.. and wont be ok for at least 2-3 months for sure..

I respect to admins to not deleting this topic.. it can be harsh what i said.. but i am angry becouse sadness.. becouse something with so much potantial destroyed here..
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No offense, but someone with 23 posts surely didn't contribute much, the team knows what they are doing.
And they want the best for us, so be patient.
It's a small team, and they have their real life too. This is not their job.
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Thanks for the feedback.

As to the length of time in beta, it is taking a lot of chewing to munch through the bugs. Some new things were introduced which took rather a long time to bring balance to.

Also, the mod is a voluntary project and Team members do need time off for real world activities.

We are always happy to accept structural assistance if you would like to lend a hand.

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sorry to say that. i played with a friend when beta 8 0.94 was released.

i love homeworld. great game. complex 7.44 mod made it even more realistic and you could choose what you liked most. building small ships/ tanks or just build a big "fortress" and then warp it here and there.

in complex 8 is just a little too much complex and added a lot of bottleneck-feeling. plus - and that for me seemst worst: its boring now. every game is somehow kind of the same now. looooooooong periods of "get going". it takes forever to just relocate in (awesome!) big maps. why? why are tactic operations so limited now? its a mothership with one of galaxywide only 3 hyperspyce-cores. the ultimative energy source.

coming to the games i played with my friend: boring. bad truth for me - as i like hw2complex very much. 4.5h a game?! c'mon

its just not interestingenough to explore the space. (something with a fog of war could be cool) but again more complexity less game fun to the extend that the game becomes too slow to play.

its got so many great things now. if i could do something to get it "running" again - i'd do a clean-up. its not just power. so many resources - but on the other hand a scavenger cant build an anti radiation module? WHY shouldnt the higs invent that if they inven asteroid crushing missles wich spawn res in deadly nebulas? some things could be mentioned. if i have a free socket - let me build whatever i want! now THATs interesting - and in-game-fun! some units need 500xp to upgrade - in 7.44 sometimes i had vortex with 100xp - AT THE END of the game. so there is something obviously imopssible. Smile

thats an opinion. i believe there are many. ... But I'd do a cleanup anyway. and ask yourself: is it fun to play? Now? now? more? less? not just logical chains of possible build structures and balancung ships? (maybe the devteam had so many things to do that they just forgot the fun!?)

...and the community just ads stuff "i made a third carrier" or "i textured the fourth kind of shipyard" - wich is great - but not always the best and only way to enhance a game. (that happens to professional games too, btw.) where is the gamefun-artist saying "cut that"? (I know everyone who payed a lot of time into cut stuff will be sooo angry about that person - but still this for me seems to be part of gamedev, too)

I want to ask the question "what to do?" to make it a fun game again!


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sorry i guess ive been badly honest too
No worries. Polite honesty is always welcome Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:46 am    Post subject:  
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No offense, but someone with 23 posts surely didn't contribute much, the team knows what they are doing.
And they want the best for us, so be patient.
It's a small team, and they have their real life too. This is not their job.


Should i post tons of useless comments to say something to make that number higher? If i go to forums everypart and say some words to make that counter 200 or 1000, will you just respect what i say? does that number mean to you so much? I found this very lame at every forums..

Sadly the team dont know what they are doing.. maybe know yes.. but when they started complex 8, they probably didnt have a plan.. you make a plan and you go with it (maybe small exeptions becouse the plan needs them).. you dont add something just becouse you saw it in your dream last night.. so if you do so, it never ends..

They want best of who? Did they make some pools before they started 8? maybe 1 or 2 but i dont remeber ppl crying loudly "we want a power system!" becouse i was checking every week all the topics becouse i thought mob will be ready in some months.. they made some pools after they screw on something like power.. so best of who? many ppl wanted usefull fighters, torpido bombers, faster games, non complex game play.. i think that kind of ppl are not in that cominity you called "us"...

I totally agree about the teams position.. they got a real life, they are small, its not their jop... sooooooo it means they should aim smaller, more basic targets.. not creating something more complex then the game itself cant handle.. orrrrr you can aim a big target and work on it.. when you finished it you put it.. not making ppl wait for years.. so as i always say.. homeworld is not a SOTS or galactic civilsations.. they are CIV 5 and red alert 3 for example.. who wanna action and fast battles without many complex things play red alert and who wanna have all details and days of play time plays CIV 5... do you understand what i mean?... homeworld is a red alert class game.. accept it.. homeworld fans wanna play homeworld.. not a very complicated of it.. so if you are a small team with small time you need to finish small things.. by one by...

Yes i dont model or mod.. but if i see something working mod designer group i donate them.. if i see homeworld became more tactical (not complex.. tactical.. and the game is non tactical just complex now) more graphical more action, i would donate realy.. small or big.. but i donate... money is the best support and motivation..

The reason i write this words is becouse i am sad.. this great potancial is fading away with some bad decitions.. you can consider what you are doing and what the problems are, or you can just laught to me and continiue what you try to do.. sometimes you need to erase something you worked on it so much for greater course.. its like some big game makers just stop their nearly ending projects becouse they think they couldnt make it what they aimedor its quality would be fail for them..

You try to change a game who ppl want to play.. complex mod lost his main purpose.. becouse of that, this version never ends.. even it ends many of "us" will look at it and "what happened to the game?"... maybe you will say it too.. but i think the developers want something more complex then game can handle.. so why do you mod homeworld? go mod something more complex.. something can make you happy..

Homeworld is not enough for this team.. wrong team on wrong game so you cant expect a right thing come up from those..

I hope my bad english could enlighten something in the core..
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not making ppl wait for years

Would they not be waiting the same length of time either way? Making the mod available as it is worked on allows the community to give feedback on it and thereby influence its direction.

Surely there is no definitive 'end' to a project like Complex, as there is always room for improvement.

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@ Drages
Sorry, i was a bit too intrusive with the post count thing.
Anyway, what i have been trying to say is, that they actually did respond to balancing/bug report bugs AT ALL TIMES.
If you looked at this more closely, there are official topics for this cause.

The community cannot and will not change the basic course of this mod. Of course it will become more complex, the team will make more or less mistakes, which are going to get further attention, once they make up a balancing concept.

At the moment the goal is to add most stuff they want to see in the game, and make it work.

While this process, we are still going to do beta testing in both single and multiplayer.
In a 1v1 it takes about 50 minutes to get to a lategame phase. That is normal for a big rts like this.
Just play the smaller (80k km and smaller) maps in deathmatch. And join my multiplayer testing room on hamachi.
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"Surely there is no definitive 'end' to a project like Complex, as there is always room for improvement."

You are totally right.. but the way is wrong i try to say..

You plan something and do it.. then you plan more and add it too.. step by step.. if you try to add everything in one time, you fail.. Rather then try to make a big complex version which cant be finished, just make a complex 8 with less things finished (the basic things you planned for future) then make 8.1, 8.2, 8.3...

but i am saying many things but you just answer few..

i am not looking for answers to be honest.. i didnt ask any question i just show you the situvation we are in.. I think there are big problems about this.. complex team is working on homeworld for years, inst it? they made 7 versions.. they should know the games scripts, 3d modeling, all details even more then the game makers... they should know the game limits... then why does 8. version take years?

I wont repeat myself again and again.. you already know what i try to say..

I am just waiting SOTS 2 to play something tactical strategy in space..
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Play some multiplayer and you will probably change your mind. The AI is not going to be satisfying of that i am sure.
Check the current progress in multiplayer.
Notice that your jaw is dropped.

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2 month passed, nothing changed, even my topic is still at top, so ppl gave up hopes already..

Sots 2 failed more then complex.. so even game producers can fail so badly, i am sorry what i said to complex.. ppl fail realy bad at this days about space games..

even sw-tor failed..

i am sick and tired of fails..
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:08 pm    Post subject:  Re: Still Beta... still waiting..
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I remeber that days.. you just wanted us to vote the best mode of year as Complex 8 would be ready in December 2010..

9 month passed and still beta.. come on, its not a super MMO which needs 1 year beta period.. even they dont need so much time today..

Its a mode for a space strategy (not a Galactic Civilsation, just Red alert in space).. so i am waiting for new shiny ships, more abilities, more choises can make..

you added more then complex things to this game.. like energy or power whatever it is.. guys plz.. RTS games dont need so much complex.. look Starcraft and C&C series, they got maximum "2" materials.. and you just get them.. yes the mods name is "complex" but we are not space enginners, we want to be just happy for some hours with ships flying in space..

9 months passed, many ppl gave their ideas about the fighting strategy including me like torpido bombers, battle carriers.. something to make real strategies rather then try to defend lame power cores and waiting "officers" train.. but you didnt listen... the game is still full of big ship pewpew..

As graphical, they are topics about "shader 2.0 at complex 9"... are you joking?? Complex 8 took 2 years.. when complex 9 came up, maybe we will live at space!! or at least we will get full 3D technology and you will put shader 2.0...

Sorry, i know its a free mod and i dont have much to say.. but i prefer something i give money if it will have quality.. waiting 9 month is not a good thing.. the worst is waiting so much and seeing its not worth that..

Sry for my english and being honest... its the truth and i wanted to say this after that long months.. you can tell me "if you dont like, you can leave" yeah right but i am just sad.. 9 months.. beta for an already done game mod.. we need seriusly homeworld 3..


i know this is old, and also you should know you are welcome to post your feelings.. i also waited for a long time, (not that long time like you but i waited a lot) i even waited for another beta version, no the release version lol..
but what i wanted to ask you is if you thought the fact that this complex modification is being done by a normal person like you and me who has a life outside his computer and must attend to it, he is not an employee of relics that must be on the proyect 8 hs a day.. or more dont know how many hours programmers work..
and Beghins should not even ask donations, i would put a price on the mod if i were him, should i be investing precious time for other's happiness i'd ask something in return..
but its free! he doesnt oblige us yo pay.. he wants us to enjoy his hard work, that is reason enough to keep waiting.. and comparing the mod to the original game.. i'll stick 2000 times with the mod.. even if its beta its already more fun than vanilla h2 Smile
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A bit more than 2 weeks and this topic can be finally forgotten.
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Yes. We are approaching the release date for Complex 8 Smile
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